Re: John -- let Mark Blyth explain it to you, then you'll have a better understanding Archived Message
Posted by dovetailjoint on March 23, 2019, 4:06 pm, in reply to "John -- let Mark Blyth explain it to you, then you'll have a better understanding"
I agree with most of Mark Blyth's analysis. At the same time he isn't against the European Union... per se, just how it's configured at present. That could be changed, in theory. What matters, I'd argue, isn't whether one is inside or outside, but what economic and social policies one follows, whether they are successful or not. This becomes a very complex argument because it's highly debatable that the UK would be allowed to follow a radically different set of economic policies outside of the European Union, or that these would be within the realm of the possible, given how long the UK has followed neo-liberal dogmas. In fact it was the UK that started it all, when Thatcherism emerged and social democracy collapsed. There's a dangerous paradox at work here. Many on the left support Brexit for a variety of reasons, some of which make sense, others don't. Anyway, Brexit was only possible because one had a referendum, direct democracy, that bypassed and rejected the normal Westminster 'representative' model. However, the consequences of Brexit and the policies that'll be necessary post-Brexit, won't be subject to 'direct democracy' but will revert to the normal Westminster 'representative' model where the 'will of the people' is carefully corralled and controlled. It'll be political business as usual. Unless one believes that Brexit was a total break with the past and Westminster? Given the character of the UK political system, the 'people's triumph' of Brexit could easily lead to something rather nasty. Not the emergence of some 'left' power in the country, but the opposite, the emergence of a zenophobic, rightwing, nationalism; with UKIP and the Tory right holding the whip hand.
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- May ripped to shreds, unpleasant - dovetailjoint March 22, 2019, 4:32 pm
- Thatchler was a cnut - Keith-264 March 22, 2019, 5:06 pm
- Personally, I think May has either become mentally ill or has an existing cognitive condition - SueC March 23, 2019, 12:46 am
- Re: May ripped to shreds, unpleasant - a contrary view. - John Monro March 23, 2019, 4:47 am
- "She is trying to deliver what she thinks the nation wants" - Keith-264 March 23, 2019, 10:22 am
- Re: "She is trying to deliver what she thinks the nation wants" - dovetailjoint March 23, 2019, 10:55 am
- Re: "She is trying to deliver what she thinks the nation wants" - John Monro March 23, 2019, 10:56 am
- Bullshit - Keith-264 March 23, 2019, 11:04 am
- Re: Bullshit - dovetailjoint March 23, 2019, 12:32 pm
- John -- let Mark Blyth explain it to you, then you'll have a better understanding - scrabb March 23, 2019, 1:06 pm
- Re: John -- let Mark Blyth explain it to you, then you'll have a better understanding - dovetailjoint March 23, 2019, 4:06 pm
- Then what's the point of membership? - Keith-264 March 23, 2019, 6:32 pm
- dj: "For example, Northern Ireland. Or look at how membership of the EU has seen the Irish Republic - sashimi March 23, 2019, 6:52 pm
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