No - the idiots will stop burning oil sooner: when EROEI/EROI (qv!) make it physically impossible Archived Message
Posted by Rhisiart Gwilym on July 5, 2019, 8:07 pm, in reply to "Re: Yep! A trillion new trees really can stop global warming; and there's PLENTY of room! -"
to lift, transport and refine any more. And that cut-off point is a lot closer than our lost-in-delusion 'leaders' and their ultra-delusional 'economists' - hah! hear Michael Hudson on their utter detachment from reality - seem to imagine. Still, you never know: the Iranians may alleviate matters for a while by closing the Straits of Hormuz... [EROEI refers to the actual energy required to run an oil operation, with a meaningful net gain in energy - somewhere around 3 to 1 minimum - to make it all work. EROI refers to the funding capital that has to be raised - somehow - to fund it. Both are critical brakes on the fossil hydrocarbon lunacy. John Greer speaks of the inevitability of a slow, inexorable demand destruction happening over the next few decades. That's very much part of the process. A lot of - nominally-accessible - fossil hydrocarbon will stay in the ground permanently, because of these considerations. And then we have the overshoot-die-off to get through, and some sort of actually-viable societies to be re-invented by the survivors; could even turn out to be quite a good time for self-seeded new forests...]
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Message Thread:
- Yep! A trillion new trees really can stop global warming; and there's PLENTY of room! - - Rhisiart Gwilym July 5, 2019, 2:25 pm
- And - highly apropos - JMGreer's latest musing: 'The Long View' - - Rhisiart Gwilym July 5, 2019, 2:27 pm
- I think it would be a great idea but perhaps not that much help - Bluefool July 5, 2019, 2:53 pm
- Re: Yep! A trillion new trees really can stop global warming; and there's PLENTY of room! - - Rich July 5, 2019, 4:50 pm
- Good point Rich... - Ken Waldron July 5, 2019, 5:59 pm
- No - the idiots will stop burning oil sooner: when EROEI/EROI (qv!) make it physically impossible - Rhisiart Gwilym July 5, 2019, 8:07 pm
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