- Re: Agreed, just looking at our extradition laws we are already subject to US criminal law! nm Archived Message
Posted by dereklane
on July 29, 2019, 10:56 am, in reply to "Re: Agreed, just looking at our extradition laws we are already subject to US criminal law! nm"
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"You're the one that claims doing something by this Brexit will somehow make things better for the ordinary Joe: tell me how? " Actually, you're the one that claims I claim that. You know what my claim was, which was similiar to Keith's. WHat I said was that by removing one group of rulers, perhaps there is a chance for ordinary folk to direct their energy towards enemies head on. You know the score from the last 30 years; the UK govt blames the EU for stuff, and the EU supporters blames the UK govt. It doesnt work for the people having enemies (real and imagined) on two fronts. Since the EU are ignored on good stuff, and strengthen uk on the bad, were between a rock and a hard place. One of the things that bothers me most is the shitty democracy we have is getting shittier on the basis of the test pilot of the referendum; they know now (and with successive premierships) that they can dispense with the last pretenses of democracy and they still get barely a whimper from the population; in fact, many seem keen to subjugate themselves further to the whims of the politicians on that matter, if they happen to agree with the minority (which they do - may's deals did not get traction because the vast majority of the sitting mps don't want brexit, despite many saying otherwise). "How is it you think this can work? If you think it can, what is the plan to make it work? Is it really a realistic prospect for a unilateral economically disarmed state: which is what "No deal Brexit" actually means to expect fair and open trade deals with other countries or is it more likely that they see a country without options that has placed itself naked in the market & is ripe for the picking? " This constant conflation between open trade agreements and the EU is a little tiring; the EEC came before the EU, and before that there were other agreements. Trade will always come first between countries; Im not too worried about that. What seems to be scaring the middle classes is that Europe will completely turn its back on the UK. Maybe it will, but only if the UK has nothing to sell, which will be the fault of internal UK politics (not related to Brexit). And it wont affect the poorest, because all the flowing money and riches of the last 30 years hasnt either; if you believe it haS then you believe in trickle-down economics, and I call bullshit, because I don't think you do. The questions I asked you you dodged too Ken, so telling me I'm not providing you with answers is rich. I still have nothing from you on it except the assurance that my views are wrong. One more time though; I didn't vote. I respect the people of this collective enough to decide it is their decision, and not mine. I'm along for the ride, of course, and its bumpy and unpleasant, but no more or less than it would have been in Oz. What I value above all else is the concept that if democracy is what is claimed to exist here, then it should damn well exist on *some* level. At the moment, what is being proved is that a) it does not and b) only the winners of the referendum seem to care about that. If you don't defend freedom in all its eventualities, what is the point in caring about it at all? thanks, Derek |