Re: Observer poll gives tories 12 pt lead - Another poll gives tories only 1 pt lead... Archived Message
Posted by dovetailjoint on September 15, 2019, 12:09 pm, in reply to "Re: Observer poll gives tories 12 pt lead - Another poll gives tories only 1 pt lead..."
I think our class positions are... irrelvant, to me at least. I'm 'mourning' the end of not just a class system, but something bigger and more important, an economic paradigm, a social system and a way of doing politics. Marx wrote a lot about this. He saw the 'revolutionary potential' of Capitlism at work and how it was destroying the old fuedal system. It's a big and complex arument, but I think most people agree that the 'modern world' that replaced the old fuedal one, meant massive material progress for vast numbers of people compared to what went before. I'm not sure why one would choose to ignore this or pretend it didn't happen? Let's look at me, sorry, as an example of what I mean. We jump in my Tardis, my preferred form of transport, which clearly makes me a member of an elite, and we zoom back four hundres years to my old ancestoral home in the Austro-Hungarian Empire. I am still Lord of the Manor, a Knight with all that goes with it. Good for me. Not so good for you. You are peasant working in the fields as still disgruntled. You can't read. Your kids aren't going to go to school and if you get really sick there isn't going to be a Doctor to help you. You probaby die before you're forty. Today, things are very different. Historically we've moved much closer to one another materially. You can now read and write, for example. Unfortunately I think the gap is now widening again, which I don't approve of. As there are so many more of you 'working class' types around, like there used to be a lot more peasants than Knights, why aren't you doing something about it then? I can't do it on my own and never could, even when I was a Knight four hundred years ago, acutally a bit more than that, say seven hundred years. The point is, I think, that life is gonna get a lot harsher for lots of people and I don't think it's my fault. I try talking to these 'working class' types, and always have, but they don't seem all that bothered. An anecdote. Decades ago I had a summer job in a factory owned by a family friend. We made wooden pallets. I wondered why, we were down at the pub during our lunch-break, why the other young workers weren't interested in politics and radical change like I was. Politics wasn't their thing. Girls and beer and pills, were. Anyway, I was told that politics didn't matter because it wasn't gonna change anything anyway, nobody listened to them and never had, so why bother with it, why expend the effort for so little gain and end up disappointed? i found this answer rather depressing. Anyway, as we all completely ####ed, regardless of class because of climate change, it's all ice under the bridge anyway.
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