You are right Paul some stamp thier feet and have a tanty if they don't catch a snapper to me if I get KY or Trev and is a good sized one it will go in the smoker or fillets will be dipped in flour and fried in butter if they are not good eating size they go back unless they are bleeding or I need bait (while observing size limit for trevalley)I do not care if I do not get a snapper while fishing as long as I come home with a feed of other fish or some shellfish then I am happy.