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NZACA Media Release

Posted by Yoey <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=Yoey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 7/7/2013, 2:34 pm

At yesterdays meeting the NZACA Executive adopted the "Proposal" in principal, to be implemented for the 2014 Nationals. The position of " Nationals Coordinator" has been removed and a Sub Committeee of seven including Chad Prentice have been given the job of finalising all details and having final draft back to a full Executive by the 25th July.
I ask that all other matters released regarding this by others are ignored and only those released by me are given any credence. This is bold but exciting.

Jim Yeoman.(Yoey)
Junior VP NZACA.

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Posted by Naki-Fisher <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=Naki-Fisher' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 7/7/2013, 6:26 pm, in reply to "NZACA Media Release"

Good on ya mate

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Posted by Yoey <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=Yoey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 7/7/2013, 8:14 pm, in reply to "NZACA Media Release"

I will add, there has been an email sent out by the the former Nationals Coordinator, to whom we do not know but believe it to be extensive. I can assure everyone his inferences are all incorrect and that the whole process is being conducted in a fair and responsible manner. All responses are being considered. No one is being ignored.
This Gentleman took it upon himself to leave the meeting early.

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Posted by Phill <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=Phill' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 7/7/2013, 11:00 pm, in reply to "Re: NZACA Media Release"
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Then nothing more should be said until the discussion papers go out to the clubs for their members to peruse.

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Posted by Frosty <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=Frosty' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 8/7/2013, 9:47 pm, in reply to "Re: NZACA Media Release"

Hi Yoey, I for one can't wait for the changes. As I have said in other topics on this nature.
I was one of the lucky ones to recieve the e-mail from the person concerned.
For those who have not recieved the e-mail I have included it in this thread.
"Good morning all,

At yesterday's meeting of the NZACA Executive I resigned as National
Championships Coordinator and as an Executive Committee member.

My reasons for resigning are that there were at least three proposals
available for consideration however only the proposal put forward by
Chad Prentice was put to the vote and was passed by a majority. My
second reason is that a survey of Clubs and Members conducted by Bill
Cronin was not taken into consideration before the vote was put. In my
personal opinion this was a complete "thumb to the nose" for those Clubs
and Members that took the time to provide Bill with feedback.

Fortunately I had been made aware during the week what was being planned
and therefore I arrived at yesterdays meeting prepared to resign. I
have to admit that the lobby group in favour of Chad's proposal was well
organised and came prepared to carry the day.

I personally think the decision made was the wrong one and made for the
sake of money and the ideals of a minority, however time will tell. I
voted against the proposal being introduced, that is all I could do.

To all those that have Emailed me and phoned me over recent times
expressing their concerns about what they were fearing might happen I
thank you for you support and am sorry I wasn't able to do more for
you. I am fully aware that I have upset some members due to my
opposition to some parts of Chad's proposal and they will be happy to
see me out of the picture, that's life and I can live with it knowing I
was taking a stand against something I believed was not in the best
interests of those members & Clubs that make up the NZACA.

To any of you who are sufficiently concerned about the future of the
NZACA, remember you have the option under the Constitution to call a
Special General Meeting. All it takes is one Club or seven members to
call such a meeting.

All the best for the future,"
Well there is no pleasing everyone

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Posted by Hangler <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=Hangler' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 9/7/2013, 9:06 am, in reply to "Re: NZACA Media Release"

The writer of that message had every right to express their opinion and resign if they felt uncomfortable with the majority decision. However, it [the e-mail] raises two questions that should be acknowledged and quickly cleared away: were the other two proposals put to the meeting, and defeated as required under rules of debate (they may have been withdrawn), were the results of the survey conducted by Bill Cronin tabled to be considered by the meeting?

If the answer to both these questions are yes, there can be no issues. If the other proposals and the survey were not tabled, then it is reasonable to expect flack from those concerned.

As Frosty has seen fit to publish this e-mail, I would respectfully suggest the matter be quickly put to bed by publishing a short extract from the meeting's minutes, where it will show the proposals were tabled and defeated by majority vote.

This kind of release through public media brings credit to nobody, and should be dealt with quickly. A letter to the writer respecting his/her right to resign and thanking them for their past service could be in order ... and quickly move on.

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Posted by Yoey <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=Yoey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 9/7/2013, 8:25 pm, in reply to "Re: NZACA Media Release"

With respect to Members of the NZACA I will respond. However I must say that you, Hangler, continue to astound me by assuming that matters, as you have raised, have not been dealt with. Give us a little credit. Also where do you get off suggesting extracts from minutes are published on this forum. You are not even a member of the NZACA. I accept that making this information available on this site also gives anyone the right to comment but it does not give anyone the right to make demands. Especially those who cant put themselves out to step up to the plate.
As for the matter of all Documents presented at the Executive meeting regarding the 2014 Nationals. It was moved seconded and passed by 13 to 2 to Table Chads Proposal as the Template and the other two papers to be tabled as discussion documents to be read in conjunction with the Template and the responses from the clubs. The Gentleman concerned voted for.
After some very controlled debate it was moved to adopt Chads Proposal in Principle only. At this point the former Nationals coordinator, who voted against this, announced he was resigning and left the room. Following:
A Sub Committee of seven has been given the task of finalising the format for the 2014 Nationals. They have been directed to consider "ALL" of the written documentation. Nothing and no one is being ignored. I can also add that the meeting was attended by the biggest amount of Executive members for some many years and also in attendance were two Club Representitives and two Club observers.
This is the final post regarding this matter. Once the final format has been accepted by the Executive all Clubs will be notified.

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Yoey. If someone posts an e-mail on an open forum it invites comment, that's what forums are all about. Why you should be astounded I have written on the subject is beyond me.

The e-mail suggests that matters were not considered. In any committee room such an allegation would be quite serious. I have covered both sides of such a suggestion, if they were raised, as you suggest, there is no problem. However, had they not been raised the matter could have caused problems.

If in your position on the NZACA you don't wish people to talk about the workings of what you are trying to achieve, then don't put them on an open forum, and ask your committee to refrain from such actions ... simple.

This site is open for all anglers to participate, and air their views. Like it or not by far the greater majority of sea anglers are not members of clubs and they are not members of the NZACA. If you choose to air matters on a site designed especially for member input and participation, you will get comments not all of which you will like.

The original title of this thread is 'Media Release'. The whole idea of such a happening is to create interest and get feedback. By releasing information reporting on dissent in the camp, what else did you expect?

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Posted by James HB <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=James+HB' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 10/7/2013, 7:04 am, in reply to "Re: NZACA Media Release"

Hangler you seem to have missed the point of Yoey's original post which was to advise all and sundry of the email that the Exec new about and which has some half truths in it. This thread was to nip it in the bud before it created widespread panic. It was, as Yoey said in his last post, decided at the meeting that upon the creation of a "Nationals Sub-Committee" that they would look at all relevant information which included the 3 proposals and the feedback submitted by the clubs. All bar 2 Exec at the table last Saturday voted that this was the way it was going to be dealt with.
As to the release of the email, we had no control over that. The guy had resigned.
You need to read the posts again and not try to look for hidden conspiracy theories that are quite obviously not there.
Yoey's 2 post explain everything quite well.

I also fail to see where any feedback was asked for as this is more a statement of fact rather then a question or such.

No excuses, just get out there!!

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Posted by Hangler <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=Hangler' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 10/7/2013, 10:18 am, in reply to "Re: NZACA Media Release"

James, I have not commented on Yoey's original post, I have commented on the e-mail made public by Frosty. Please don't confuse what I have written and attribute my reply as going to Yoey, it clearly was not.

The e-mail made public by Frosty contains some serious allegations, my only suggestion is they should be quickly put to bed. I am happy to accept what is reported is indeed wrong, Yoey has attempted to do so. Had those allegations been correct it could have posed serious ramifications for the present committee or sub committee.

I am very familiar with committee work, there are due processes that must be followed, this is standard committee procedure. The e-mail implies this has not been the case, and I am sure you have heard that when people throw mud, regardless of an innocent outcome, some sticks.

Unless the part of the meeting discussing these changes was held 'in camera' meaning nothing can be made public or discussed outside of committee, there would be no finer way of killing any controversy faster than to make public the minute regarding the other proposals were tabled - also the results of the survey.

This is what a minute book is for, it is signed as a true and accurate record of a meeting. The person who left early would be forced to withdraw his allegations of impropriety, and the sub committee will start off with a clean sheet. A win/win situation all round.

The most important post on this thread was made by Phill: nothing else should be said!!! Unfortunately the e-mail was then made public.

I ask you to consider: if the e-mail was sent as a private message it is wrong to make it public. If the e-mail was sent as an approach to the exec of the NZACA, it should have been kept under wraps until after the content had been discussed by those concerned. It would be tabled as incoming correspondence and acted on accordingly.

There is a right way and a wrong way, I leave it to you to decide which is which.

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Posted by ABU Man <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=ABU+Man' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 14/7/2013, 10:57 am, in reply to "Re: NZACA Media Release"

I have no problem with Frosty posting the letter on this forum that I sent out to all Clubs/Members. I have always taken the stance of being open with whatever I am trying to achieve and since I was elected as National Championships Coordinator, I have tried to keep as many Clubs/Members up to date with whatever plans etc I was making. Until recently I sent a National News update to everyone that I had an address for, letting them know what was happening in the lead up to the 2014 Nationals to be held in Mount Maunganui/Papamoa. I was also keeping a National News page on the NZACA Website up to date as well. On top of this everything planned for the 2014 Nationals was signed off at Executive Committee level.

I had been warned a month earlier, by an Executive Committee Member, that my head was on the block due to my opposition to Chad Prentice's proposal. I also had this warning from a friend in the week prior to the meeting that supported the earlier warning. At this point I would like to re-iterate that I am not opposed to everything in Chad's proposal only some parts of it. I respect Chad for at least putting up the proposal.

Prior to the vote being taken on Chad's proposal the discussion was whether or not the National Championship should be addressed as a Championship or a Competition, there had been no discussion on any of the three proposals on the table, nor had there been any discussion on the Bill Cronin survey of Clubs/Members. It was moved that Chad Prentice's proposal should be accepted in principle and the vote taken was 9 in favour, 5 against and 1 abstention.

Shortly after the vote was taken I resigned my position as National Championships Coordinator and my position as an Executive Committee member. The reason for my resignation is that I felt from the mood of the meeting and the way the vote was put that the writing was probably on the wall for me. If there had been proper discussion on all the papers on the table before the vote was taken I would have accepted the result as a democratic decision.

I left the meeting immediately after my resignation and I have no knowledge of what the meeting subsequently discussed.

I have said before that I have to give credit to the supporters of Chad's Proposal, they were well organised and were able to carry the day.

Perhaps the draft copy of the plans for the future of the Nationals to be placed in front of the Executive Committee on July 25th will meet the needs of the majority of the Clubs/Members. I certainly hope so as this is all that I have trying to achieve.

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Posted by Chad <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=Chad' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 14/7/2013, 4:25 pm, in reply to "Re: NZACA Media Release"

Bruce Glass your methods and measures leave much to be desired.

Whilst you are in the informative mood, let me enlighten people of a conversation we had earlier. You stated to me, that you had had enough, you where tired of it all, your hart was not in it and you felt that you had put in so much time and effort that if the vote did not go your way, you would resign, hand on hart I quote you on that, you are your own worst enemy.

Bruce, in that same breath I cut into you whilst talking and stated regardless off our differences, regardless of the result, you should support what ever decision is made by you and your pairs and embrace it. You stated that would be to hard and you could not do it, you would resign unless it swung in your own favor.

From this we moved away from this subject and spoke on other matters in relation to locations.

What you are doing now Bruce is wrong, you are incorrectly informing people off your recollection of occurrences which are un-founded and bias. Please, stop tarnishing the brand on forums and emails. If you have issues, go through the right channels, don't abuse email addresses that belong to the NZACA and to get out information that is not correct. Have some dignity Bruce, go through the proper channels, I do believe you gave me that advice once.......

Wairoa
Hawkesbay

Take Nothing For Granted

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Obviously your recollection of the conversation is a hell of a lot different to mine but not to worry so long as you are convinced in your own mind as to my reasons for resigning you will be happy. You now have the reins and the responsibility to create something that the majority of members are hoping for.

Good luck Chad

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Posted by scuzzy <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=scuzzy' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 14/7/2013, 5:45 pm, in reply to "Re: NZACA Media Release"

you also posted on F/Book you were going to resign if you did not have the support you wanted and then you deleted it - every one saw it but not to worry- just move on- if you are still going to make rash statements and so forth maybe you should have embraced this change and worked with the NZACA and its members - I will not comment anymore on this subject as its going around in circles- change is good for all

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Posted by Phill <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=Phill' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 14/7/2013, 6:47 pm, in reply to "Re: NZACA Media Release"
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Never the twain shall meet . I have read, heard and listened to all sides including club members and the thing is they all want a better healthier organisation, how we get there is another thing. It saddens me to see this drama playing out , we can't afford to lose people in this way . Guys have you given a thought to how Bruce must have felt when given the job as Nationals Coordinator only to have the rug pulled out from under him after he had spent considerable time putting things in place for next year. The man has faults as we all do but he also has skills that the NZACA needs . I believe there was a lack of managerial handling of this whole debate .
As I said in my previous post lets see what comes out in the wash later this month.
Happy days.

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