Re: No cognitive lapse my end, just reality Archived Message Posted by dereklane on October 1, 2019, 8:24 am, in reply to "Re: No cognitive lapse my end, just reality" I think you make decent points, specifically about the choice of young heroes, and the whys behind that. My take is that firstly, kids talking about this stuff from non white backgrounds are generally not well received unless they are legitimising our military actions (as in the case of Malala). The reasons behind this are partly colonialist; we have the answers, and we will not listen to some third world citizens telling us we have it wrong. Secondly, when they're closer to home and closer to comfort, we can control the narrative. Hence I think the reason why Malala ended up living in the west; give people things they need and want and they tend to do what you want mostly (you might growl occasionally but you won't bite the hand that feeds you). I would be surprised these days to find too many aboriginal kids in oz who would turn their backs on their communities for better times. A generation or two back was different, now, most people seem to know how both propaganda and manipulation work. The closer you are to dirt poor and disadvantaged, the less fast you'll fall for the usual tricks. But really it comes down to the fact in the west we don't like people with different coloured skin or funny clothes telling us what we're doing wrong. I could be wrong but I'd say that the interest in this girl and what she said has already waned (people agreed and moved on), and if it hasn't for her the next we hear she will be condoning some accord that sounds pretty and means nothing. And she will probably be thinking she is doing something useful, because though she may be cynical I bet she's not half as cynical as the people seeking to control that narrative. Because she is a child. Nothing will change while capitalism is the rule. Capitalism is fed by and helped by both national and international agreements that protect large corporate and national interests (organisations like the eu, for example, or the uk/us military) . We have to want to dismantle large orgs enough and suffer the hits as it goes personally if we want to effect environmental change. In my own area, nestle provides jobs. But it's also screwing the environment and contributing via its hands off my water policies to localised flooding and ruination of homes etc. I'd rather see them leave and several hundred people out of jobs than stay and find they leach the moors in a decade or two. The same should apply everywhere. There are jobs and work that are not worth protecting. I've left (in hard times too) a couple of such jobs. I'd rather be broke than personally responsible for screwing the environment my kids have to grow up in. Anyway, sidetracked so I'll stop here. Message Thread: | This response ↓ Greta Thunberg Helpline - Ken Waldron September 30, 2019, 2:30 pm Haha! There you go Chris! Just what the doctor ordered! ;o) nm - brooks September 30, 2019, 2:42 pm Re: Haha! There you go Chris! Just what the doctor ordered! ;o) nm - Chris Rogers September 30, 2019, 4:03 pm Re: Haha! There you go Chris! Just what the doctor ordered! ;o) nm - brooks September 30, 2019, 4:48 pm No cognitive lapse my end, just reality - Chris Rogers September 30, 2019, 7:29 pm That's it Chris, get it off your chest. That's what the helpline is for. nm - brooks September 30, 2019, 8:01 pm Re: No cognitive lapse my end, just reality - Ken Waldron September 30, 2019, 8:29 pm Re: No cognitive lapse my end, just reality - Chris Rogers October 1, 2019, 5:44 am Re: No cognitive lapse my end, just reality - dereklane October 1, 2019, 8:24 am Re: No cognitive lapse my end, just reality - Ken Waldron October 1, 2019, 3:34 pm Re: Yousafzai - Subhi October 1, 2019, 7:30 pm Re: Yousafzai - Ken Waldron October 1, 2019, 9:00 pm Rubbish.. - Gerard October 1, 2019, 11:57 am TLN! - Gerard September 30, 2019, 7:43 pm Crap - Chris Rogers October 2, 2019, 3:32 am Re: Crap - Gerard October 2, 2019, 10:17 am Re: Greta Thunberg Helpline - turtleman September 30, 2019, 2:45 pm Re: Greta Thunberg Helpline - Gerard September 30, 2019, 7:45 pm Ah, not on the right page? That's because you're an angry white man. nm - Jamie September 30, 2019, 2:47 pm Re: Greta Thunberg Helpline - margo September 30, 2019, 3:11 pm Re: Greta Thunberg Helpline - margo September 30, 2019, 4:02 pm Re: Greta Thunberg Helpline - margo September 30, 2019, 4:10 pm Tony Cartalucci's take - margo September 30, 2019, 6:48 pm Opportunism.. - Gerard September 30, 2019, 7:58 pm Great post! nm - Gerard September 30, 2019, 8:15 pm Re: Greta Thunberg Helpline - Mary September 30, 2019, 10:43 pm Re: Greta Thunberg Helpline - John Monro October 1, 2019, 12:45 am Re: Greta Thunberg Helpline - Gerard October 1, 2019, 12:10 pm Of course, if Greta was an ISIS bride, she'd be deemed too immature to take responsibility - SueC October 1, 2019, 1:28 am Re: Of course, if Greta was an ISIS bride, she'd be deemed too immature to take responsibility - John Monro October 1, 2019, 3:10 am Re: Of course, if Greta was an ISIS bride, she'd be deemed too immature to take responsibility - brooks October 1, 2019, 1:28 pm The other thing is that she won't be a child much longer.. - Gerard October 2, 2019, 10:24 am Re: - Gerard October 2, 2019, 10:27 am Apologies messed that up, THIS post...! - Gerard October 2, 2019, 10:29 am Don't you mean for *her* sins Gerard? ;o) nm - brooks October 2, 2019, 10:34 am No dear... nm - Gerard October 2, 2019, 10:50 am   Searching