Oh and I'm with Chomsky on this; Archived Message
Posted by Jamie on May 31, 2019, 7:30 am, in reply to "Re: Just up to 16 education def limits critical thinking ability; a degree may make you a ouanquer but"
"When I'm driving, I sometimes turn on the radio and I find very often that what I'm listening to is a discussion of sports. These are telephone conversations. People call in and have long and intricate discussions, and it's plain that quite a high degree of thought and analysis is going into that. People know a tremendous amount. They know all sorts of complicated details and enter into far-reaching discussion about whether the coach made the right decision yesterday and so on. These are ordinary people, not professionals, who are applying their intelligence and analytic skills in these areas and accumulating quite a lot of knowledge and, for all I know, understanding. On the other hand, when I hear people talk about, say, international affairs or domestic problems, it's at a level of superficiality that's beyond belief. In part, this reaction may be due to my own areas of interest, but I think it's quite accurate, basically. And I think that this concentration on such topics as sports makes a certain degree of sense. The way the system is set up, there is virtually nothing people can do anyway, without a degree of organization that's far beyond anything that exists now, to influence the real world. They might as well live in a fantasy world, and that's in fact what they do. I'm sure they are using their common sense and intellectual skills, but in an area which has no meaning and probably thrives because it has no meaning, as a displacement from the serious problems which one cannot influence and affect because the power happens to lie elsewhere. Now it seems to me that the same intellectual skill and capacity for understanding and for accumulating evidence and gaining information and thinking through problems could be used -- would be used -- under different systems of governance which involve popular participation in important decision-making, in areas that really matter to human life."
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- Re: An interesting analysis of the real EU election numbers in the UK - psingh May 30, 2019, 6:49 am
- Re: An interesting analysis of the real EU election numbers in the UK - Keith-264 May 30, 2019, 7:17 am
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- Re: 70% of no post 16 educ'n, and 64% of over 65s - Leave. 68% of degree level - Remain. mmm nm - dereklane May 30, 2019, 4:57 pm
- How many of the remain grads got diluted degrees post 1990?....nm - Keith-264 May 30, 2019, 6:54 pm
- Re: 70% of no post 16 educ'n, and 64% of over 65s - Leave. 68% of degree level - Remain. mmm nm - Tomski May 30, 2019, 7:03 pm
- Just up to 16 education def limits critical thinking ability; a degree may make you a ouanquer but - marknadim May 31, 2019, 1:20 am
- Re: Just up to 16 education def limits critical thinking ability; a degree may make you a ouanquer but - dereklane May 31, 2019, 7:03 am
- Re: Just up to 16 education def limits critical thinking ability; a degree may make you a ouanquer but - Jamie May 31, 2019, 7:12 am
- Oh and I'm with Chomsky on this; - Jamie May 31, 2019, 7:30 am
- I'm not sure about that - Keith-264 May 31, 2019, 7:27 am
- Not snobbery / ignorance, based on experience working in education and as parent. - marknadim May 31, 2019, 12:29 pm
- Re: Not snobbery / ignorance, based on experience working in education and as parent. - dereklane May 31, 2019, 7:21 pm
- Some - marknadim May 31, 2019, 11:03 pm
- Re: Some - dereklane June 1, 2019, 8:34 am
- Re: Some - marknadim June 1, 2019, 12:13 pm
- Re: Some - dereklane June 1, 2019, 8:43 pm
- Re: Some - marknadim June 1, 2019, 9:56 pm
- Highly-educated people begin as ignoramuses - Keith-264 June 1, 2019, 8:11 pm
- In my day, people had to be 2:1 material to think intellectually - Keith-264 June 1, 2019, 8:08 pm
- Re: 70% of no post 16 educ'n, and 64% of over 65s - Leave. 68% of degree level - Remain. mmm nm - Jamie May 30, 2019, 8:52 pm
- Was it my Ricky Tomlinson - Keith-264 May 30, 2019, 7:58 am
- Applied to the Brexit vote: 33.5% voted Brexit. Not an overwhelming endorsement. - Laurie May 30, 2019, 9:30 am
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