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    Re: This is just not true. - Er, yes it is Archived Message

    Posted by mack on July 30, 2019, 9:19 pm, in reply to "This is just not true."

    Taking your example:

    Everest repeat offenders:

    List of Mount Everest summiters
    Achiever Nation Ref Place of Death
    24 Kami Rita Sherpa (AA) Nepal [6][7][8][9][10]
    21 Apa Sherpa Nepal [11]
    22 Ngima Nuru Sherpa Nepal [12]
    21 Phurba Tashi Sherpa Nepal [13]
    20 Ang Dorje Sherpa (Chhuldim) Nepal [14][15]
    19 Chhewang Nima (Chuwang) Nepal [16][17] 2010 on M. Baruntse[18]
    19 Mingma Tsiri Sherpa Nepal [19][20][21][22]
    17 Lakpa Rita Sherpa Nepal [23][24]
    16 Kami Rita Sherpa (AC) Nepal [25]
    16 Nima Gombu Sherpa Nepal [21][22][26][27][28][29]
    15 Dave Hahn United States [30][31][32]
    15 Kame Sherpa Nepal [33][34][35][36]
    15 Pemba Dorje Sherpa Nepal [37]
    14 Kenton Cool United Kingdom [38][39][40][41][42]
    13 Ang Passang Sherpa Nepal [43]
    13 Mingma Dorjee Sherpa (Thame) Nepal [6][43]
    13 Fura Kancha Sherpa Nepal [6][43]
    12 Chhiring Dorje Sherpa Nepal [44][45]
    12 Guillermo "Willie" Benegas United States nee Argentina [46][47][48][49][50][51][52][53][54]
    11 Chongba Nuru Sherpa Nepal [55][56][57]
    11 Pemchirri Sherpa Nepal [58]
    10 Dawa Nuru Sherpa Nepal [6]
    10 Tashi Tshering Nepal [59][60][61][62][63]
    10 Ang Rita Sherpa Nepal [59][60][61][62][63]
    10 Babu Chiri Sherpa Nepal [64] 2001 on Everest[64]
    10 Panuru Sherpa Nepal [65]
    10 Karsang Namgyal Sherpa Nepal [66][67] 2012 on Everest[68]
    10 Namgyal Sherpa Nepal [69][70] 2013 Everest[69][70]
    10 Vern Tejas United States [71]
    10 Noel Hanna Ireland [72][73]
    10 Garrett Madison United States [6][74][75][76]
    9 Mingma Tenjing Sherpa Nepal [77]
    9 Dorje Khatri Sherpa Nepal [78] 2014 Everest[79]
    9 Tenjing Dorji Nepal [80]
    9 David Hamilton United Kingdom [81][82][83]
    9 Mike Roberts New Zealand [84][85][86]
    9 Mark Woodward New Zealand [87]
    9 Dean Staples New Zealand [88][89]
    9 George Dijmarescu United States [51][90]
    9 Ang Namgel Sherpa Nepal [91]
    9 Hiroyuki Kuraoka Japan [92]
    9 Lhakpa Sherpa ♀ Nepal [90][93][94]
    8 Alexander Abramov Russia [95][96]
    8 Mingma Gelu Sherpa Nepal [97]
    8 Tashi Lakpa Sherpa Nepal [98]
    8 Tenzing Sherpa Nepal [51][99][100]
    8 Rob Casserley United Kingdom [101][102][103]
    7 Love Raj Singh Dharmshaktu India [104][105][106]
    7 Adrian Ballinger United Kingdom [107][108][109][110][111]
    7 Phil Crampton United Kingdom [112]
    7 Daniel Mazur United States [113][113][114]
    7 Dawa Tashi Sherpa Nepal [115][15]
    7 Ed Viesturs United States [116]
    7 Jamling Bhote Nepal [117]
    7 Jyamchang Bhote Nepal [118]
    7 Tshering Pande Bhote Nepal [119]
    7 Karma Rita Sherpa Nepal [120][121]
    7 Lakpa Thundu Sherpa Nepal [91][122]
    7 Noriyuki Muraguchi Japan [92]
    7 Peter Athans United States [123]
    7 Scott Woolums United States [124][125]
    7 David Liaño Gonzalez Mexico [40][126]
    6 Ang Karma Sherpa Nepal [127]
    6 David Morton United States [128]
    6 Justin Merle United States [129]
    6 Kami Sherpa Nepal [130]
    6 Kondo Kenji Japan [92][131][132]
    6 Luis Benitez United States [133]
    6 Mark Whetu New Zealand [134]
    6 Melissa Arnot ♀ United States [135][136]
    6 Phunuru Sherpa Nepal [137][138][139]
    6 Thendu Dorje Sherpa Nepal [140][141] 2014 Everest[142]
    6 Tim Mosedale United Kingdom [102][113][143][58]
    6 Victor Saunders United Kingdom [102][144]
    5 Anshu Jamsenpa India [145][15][146]
    5 David Breashears United States [147]
    5 David Tait United Kingdom [148]
    5 Duncan Chessell Australia [149]
    5 Guy Cotter New Zealand [113][150][151]
    5 Kari Kobler Switzerland [152][153][154]
    5 Karna Tamang Nepal [155]
    5 Lila Bahadur Basnet Nepal [156][157]
    5 Michael Brown United States [158]
    5 Michael Hamill United States [159][160]
    5 Jamie McGuinness New Zealand [161]
    5 Pasang Karma Sherpa Nepal [140][141] 2014 Everest[140]
    5 Rob Hall New Zealand 1996 Everest[162]
    5 Ryszard Pawłowski Poland [163][164]
    5 Sonam Tshering Sherpa Nepal [165][166] 1993 Everest[165][166]
    5 Sungdare Sherpa Nepal [167][168] 1989[169]
    5 Ryan Waters United States [170]
    4 Anatoli Boukreev Kazakhstan 1997 Annapurna[171]
    4 Ang Kaji Sherpa Nepal [172] 2014 Everest[172][172]
    4 Ben Jones United States [173][174]
    4 Dawa Gyaljen Sherpa Nepal [175]
    4 Eugeny Vinogradski Russia [176]
    4 Jose Luis Peralvo Ecuador [6][177]
    4 Kazuya Hiraide Japan [92]
    4 Kushang Sherpa (Kusang Dorjee) India [178]
    4 Lopsang Jangbu Sherpa Nepal [179][180] 1996 (Sept.) Everest[181]
    4 Lydia Bradey ♀ New Zealand 88,08,13,16[144][182]
    4 Michael Horst United States [183]
    4 Paul Giorgio United States [46][47][184][185]
    4 Phura Geljen Sherpa Nepal [186][187]
    4 Shinji Tamura Japan [92][188]
    4 Simone Moro Italy [189]
    4 Wally Berg United States [51][190]
    4 Yuri Contreras Mexico [191]
    3 Andy Lapkass United States [192]
    3 Ang Phurba Sherpa Nepal [193][194]
    3 Brent Bishop United States 94, 02, 16[195][196][174]
    3 Casey Grom United States [197]
    3 Conrad Anker United States [198][199]
    3 Chhang Dawa Sherpa Nepal [200]
    3 Elia Saikaly Canada [201][202][203][204]
    3 Héctor Ponce de Leon Mexico [205]
    3 Hiro Kuraoka Japan [206]
    3 Huang Nubo China [207]
    3 Jake Norton United States [208]
    3 Kevin Farebrother Australia [209]
    3 Khoo Swee Chiow Singapore [210][211][212][213][214]
    3 Lyudmila Korobeshko Russia [215]
    3 Noboru Yamada Japan [216][217] 1989 Denali[216][217]
    3 Pasang Sherpa Nepal [218]
    3 Pertemba Sherpa Nepal [219]
    3 Ranvir Singh Jamwal India [220]
    3 Robert Schauer Austria [221][222][223]
    3 Robert Slozen United States [51][224]
    3 Ryuseki Hiraoka Japan [92]
    3 Tashi Tenzing Nepal [225]
    3 Saurabh Singh Shekhawat India [226]
    3 Serap Jangbu Sherpa Nepal [218]
    3 Sergei Bershov Ukraine [227]
    3 Seth Waterfall United States [228]
    3 Stuart Peacock United Kingdom [229]
    3 Um Hong-gil South Korea [230]
    3 Veikka Gustafsson Finland
    3 Walter Laserer Austria [223]
    3 Yasuo Kato Japan [231] 1982 Everest[231]
    3 Yuichiro Miura Japan [232]
    2 Abele Blanc Italy [233][234]
    2 Adele Pennington United Kingdom [235]
    2 Adolphus Hancock Canada [236][237]
    2 Ajay Kothiyal India [238][239]
    2 Alex Lowe United States [240] 1999 Shishapangma[241]
    2 Alexi Bolotov Russia [51][242] 2013 Nuptse[242]
    2 Amar Prakash India [243]
    2 Andrew Lock Australia [244]
    2 Ang Phu Sherpa (b.1950) Nepal [245] 1979 Everest[245]
    2 Anita Kobold ♀ Germany [51][246]
    2 Asmus Norreslet Denmark [247][248]
    2 Augusto Ortega Peru [249]
    2 Ben Jones United States [250]
    2 Bill Burke United States [251]
    2 Bull Bradford United States [252]
    2 Carlos Hatuka United States
    2 Cathy O'Dowd ♀ South Africa [253]
    2 Cering Doje China [254][255]
    2 Claudio Bastrentaz Italy [51]
    2 Chhurim ♀ Nepal [256]
    2 Chiang Hsiu-Chen ♀ Republic of China (Taiwan) [257][258]
    2 Christine Boskoff ♀ United States [259] 2006 M. Genyen[259]
    2 Cory Richards United States 16[260] 17[261]
    2 David Hempleman-Adams United Kingdom [262][263]
    2 David Rodney Canada [264]
    2 David Roeske United States
    2 Deepika Rathore India [265]
    2 Didier Delsalle France [266]
    2 Fyodor Konyukhov Russia [267]
    2 Gabriel Filippi Canada [268]
    2 Gary Francis Australia [269] 2014[269]
    2 Gary Ball New Zealand [270][271] 1993 Dhaulagiri[272]
    2 Graham Ratcliffe United Kingdom [273][274][275]
    2 Greg Wilson United States [120][276]
    2 Göran Kropp Sweden [277][278] 2002[278]
    2 Hugo Rodríguez Mexico [279]
    2 Igor Svergun Ukraine [280][281] 2013 Nanga Parbat[281]
    2 Jamie Clarke Canada [282]
    2 Jeff Rhoads United States [283]
    2 Jimmy Chin United States [199]
    2 John Furneaux Canada [284]
    2 John Tsang Chi-sing Hong Kong [285][286]
    2 Joshua T. McDowell United States [287]
    2 Juan Pablo Ruiz Colombia [288]
    2 Kílian Jornet Burgada Spain [289]
    2 Karim Mella Dominican Republic [290][291]
    2 Koichi Oyama Japan [92]
    2 Laura Gonzalez del Castillo ♀ Mexico [191]
    2 Lief Whittaker United States [292]
    2 Ludovic Challeat France [293][294][295] 2012 Manaslu[296]
    2 Lynne Hanna ♀ United Kingdom [297][73]
    2 MA Mohit Bangladesh [298][299]
    2 Manuel Pizarro Canada [300][301]
    2 Marco Siffredi France [302] 2002 Everest[302]
    2 Margaret Watroba Australia [303]
    2 Marty Schmidt New Zealand [304][305][306][307] 2013 K2[307]
    2 Michael Groom Australia [308][309]
    2 Michael Niemeier Germany [51]
    2 Michael Smith United Kingdom [51]
    2 Mike Kobold Germany [310][311]
    2 Michihiro Kadoya Japan [92]
    2 Mollie Hughes♀ United Kingdom [312]
    2 Muneo Nukita Japan [92]
    2 Namgyal Tshering Sherpa Nepal [67][313] 2012 Everest[313][314]
    2 Naoki Ishikawa Japan [92]
    2 Nawang Gombu Nepal [315][316] 2011[317]
    2 Òscar Cadiach Spain
    2 Park Young-seok South Korea [318][319] 2011 Annapurna[319]
    2 Pat Falvey Ireland [320][321]
    2 Paul Noble United Kingdom [102]
    2 Sherpani Pemba Doma ♀ Nepal [322][323][324] 2007 Lhtose[325]
    2 Peter Hillary New Zealand 1990, 2002[326]
    2 Phil Ershler United States [327]
    2 Reinhold Messner Italy [328][328]
    2 Robert Anderson New Zealand [329]
    2 Ryan Waters United States [330]
    2 Russell Brice New Zealand [331][332]
    2 Rodrigo Jordan Chile [333]
    2 Santosh Yadav India [334]
    2 Scott Fischer United States [335] 1996 on Everest[336]
    2 Sean Disney South Africa [337]
    2 Shaun Hutson United Kingdom [338][339]
    2 Sibusiso Vilane Swaziland [340][341]
    2 Silvio Mondinelli Italy [51]
    2 Shuji Nazuka Japan [92][342] 2004 Annapurna[343]
    2 Stipe Božić Croatia
    2 Susmita Maskey ♀ Nepal [344][345][346]
    2 Takashi Ozaki Japan [347] 2011 Everest[348]
    2 Takeshi Yamamura Japan [92]
    2 Tamae Watanabe ♀ Japan [349]
    2 Tenzing Nuru Sherpa Nepal [350] 2007 Everest[350]
    2 Teruo Saegusa Japan [351][352] 1989 Denali[352]
    2 Tunç Fındık Turkey [353]
    2 Tim Macartney-Snape Australia
    2 Tore Sunde-Rasmussen Norway [354]
    2 Usukhbayar Golovdorj Mongolia [355]
    2 Vladimir Bashkirov Russia [51][356] 2007 Lhotse[356]
    2 Vitor Negrete Brazil [357] 2006 Everest[358]
    2 Waldemar Niclevicz Brazil [359]
    2 Wang Shi China


    That's quite a few individya=uals that have summitted multiple times.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mount_Everest_summiters_by_number_of_times_to_the_summit


    But you're being a little disingenuous, I think. When I say 'people' I mean humans, but all the same the argument falls with your own example, even though I'm pretty sure you understood I'm not talking about individuals, but organisations/govts. ...humans as a species.

    Maybe give some examples that back up what you say - as Everest - surely one of the most inhospitable places on Earth - doesn't - and in spades; and they are just individuals. Which new territories, discovered by humans, have been abandoned after just a few visits, never to return for any given reason. Moon being the exception. I can't think of one, but you might have a list

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