- Re: You don't live in Glouscestershire by any chance do you? Archived Message
Posted by Ken Waldron
on May 17, 2020, 2:14 am, in reply to "Re: You don't live in Glouscestershire by any chance do you?"
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-That 8000 more over the period died at home rather than hospital is unsurprising: just who wants to go to a hospital at present when its one of the prime vectors for infection? "Of that total, 80% died of conditions unrelated to Covid-19, according to their death certificates." -I thought your denialist line was that Coronavirus on the death certificate wasn't meaningful anyway? Otherwise: Coronavirus left off death certificates of people dying at home and in care homes Doctors are under reporting coronavirus on the death certificates of people they suspect have died of the virus in care homes and in private homes, a whistleblower claims. Some doctors are opting to write ‘frailty of old age’, dementia or other health conditions on death certificates of people they believe have died of coronavirus, according to the GP, who wished to remain anonymous. GPs are not attributing the virus to suspected COVID-19 deaths happening outside hospital, the doctor told Channel 4 News. “I know GPs writing bronchopneumonia or frailty of old age on death certificates when they strongly suspect COVID to avoid running into problems”. The GP described stressed doctors drowning in paperwork and a lack of testing in care homes and for people living at home exacerbating the issue, leaving doctors anxious about what to do after a death. The administrative delays of getting funeral directors to collect a coronavirus-infected body are among the reasons why, he claims, doctors have been under reporting coronavirus fatalities. “I can imagine a lot of GPs will just put another cause of death to smooth up the situation, so you don’t have endless calls back with coroners and funeral homes”. Only 1% of COVID-19 deaths recorded as 'suspected' coronavirus The claims call into question the accuracy of the UK’s COVID-19 death rate, if all coronavirus deaths are deliberately not being recorded. The Office for National Statistics (ONS) published (on 16 April) the number of people dying of coronavirus from 1-31 March. In March, there were 3,912 deaths in England and Wales involving coronavirus. (The total number of deaths that month was 47,358). Of the 3,372 deaths recorded as having an underlying cause of COVID-19 on death certificates, only one per cent (38) were classified as 'suspected' COVID-19. Dementia recorded for most deaths Dementia and Alzheimer disease was the underlying cause of death recorded with the most deaths (6,401 deaths) - that's 14 per cent of all deaths that month. This was followed by Ischaemic heart diseases with 4,042 deaths (nine per cent) and thirdly COVID-19, with 3,372 deaths (seven per cent). The ONS also revealed at least one in seven coronavirus deaths in March, were of people living with dementia. Sally Copley, director of policy, campaigns and partnerships at Alzheimer’s Society said: "With ongoing uncertainty about the number of coronavirus deaths in care homes, we suspect that the true death toll of people with dementia dying from COVID-19 is much greater than the figures currently available to the ONS. "We need to see faster and more efficient methods of recording deaths in these settings to provide more accurate, daily mortality figures." https://www.homecare.co.uk/news/article.cfm/id/1624501/Coronavirus-left-off-death-certificates-of-people-dying-at-home-and-in-care-homes "...presumably because of the consequences of the measures taken..." -So at what point and what "measures"? As I've said before, if its the lockdown creating this mortality then why does the rate dramatically fall two and a half weeks into this apparently causative lockdown?: And why is that pretty much exactly where it should fall if the measure was working as intended: as an infection preventative. -Your thinking to my mind is counter intuitive and moreover counter factual. |