Re: Sun headline - Corbyn was always an unpleasant dimwit and a liar - turns out he's a chicken too" Archived Message
Posted by Sinister Burt on September 5, 2019, 3:59 pm, in reply to "Re: Sun headline - Corbyn was always an unpleasant dimwit and a liar - turns out he's a chicken too" "
@dj: Whatever the 'extreme left' is, i'm not sure that they're fully represented by the three or four few anti-corbyn posters who post here (god love 'em) + the wsws - i guess it depends whose version of extreme you're using. I'm sure some would call chomsky a milquetoast for his pragmatic views on elections, but i agree with those views in general: yes i have no illusions about the potential of the parliamentary road to socialism, or about the eu, but i'm not going to actively make my and my class' lives worse in the short term for the sake of ideological purity - I need relief from austerity right now so members of my family don't have to use food banks - i can't wait for some splinter vanguard to bring down the whole system, or for a new mass movement to be built. Bottom line: will a johnson government with a stronger mandate be good for my class? I can;t see how - therefore i support corbyn, despite his and his party's shortcomings, out of solidarity for the other people in my class, even if many of them might support johnson (socialism is not just for the benefit of its supporters). I'm not sure how people can seriously think that the supposed benefit to the working class of not being in the eu will outweigh the anti-working class policies of johnson in the short and medium term (in the long term we're all dead). How is this advantage going to manifest? Cheaper food? (only if it's shitter or exploits more people overseas) Better wages because there's less immigration? (yeah right, as if we'd get that under tories). The only way we benefit is if we also have a socialist (or socialish) government and they get to do more nationalisation than they would have - if we've already helped johnson/cummings and the rest to kill off corbyn's chances by repeating his slogans (corbyn chicken etc) at this point, that's much less likely to happen anyway. As for brexit, as i've said before, while i was originally a bennish lexiter, and still am in theory, i really don't think it's as important as putting a marker down for socialism at this time. Neoliberal brexit and neoliberal remain are not different. When/if corbyn gets elected and gets hemmed in by the usual limits of our system, then we can all get together and slag him off.
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