Re: I agree. We either should not use it at all in this context, or at least add "establishment"...other Archived Message
Posted by turtleman on December 27, 2018, 3:36 pm, in reply to "I agree. We either should not use it at all in this context, or at least add "establishment"...other"
I also agree. BUT let us not forget that 'liberal' is also a hijacked term, as the neoliberal bears no resemblance to the classical liberal. Which is why I insist that arguments, if they are strong and true, should never and can never be labelled as leftist or rightist. And the good news is that things have gotten so utterly insane and unjust in both the official left and right, that the whole game can be exposed using simple, non-partisan moral arithmetic. That is why both traditional conservatives and classical liberals, and even common businessmen seem to make so much bloody sense these days (in comparison to the mainstream left and right). Also - and this is important - card-carrying leftists need to be honest and face up to the fact that the left (yes, the 'good' left, the 'real' left) HAVE been increasingly poisoned by postmodernism and neo-Marxism since the 1960s. It's always been hard keeping an independent mind even in the best of times, but nowadays . . . sheesh! Keep your nose clean, and your sprockets well-oiled, comrades! turtleman
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- Disband the Left? - dovetailjoint December 25, 2018, 1:44 pm
- whats left of the left - west virginia December 25, 2018, 3:14 pm
- Re: Disband the Left? - turtleman December 25, 2018, 3:41 pm
- You're confusing the official left with the real left - Keith-264 December 25, 2018, 4:02 pm
- Why would fraudsters choose to disband? - Ken Waldron December 25, 2018, 6:29 pm
- "Capitalist liberals masquerading as revolutionaries"? - margo December 26, 2018, 6:39 am
- But notice, M, how these IDpol-questioners use the same jargonish language that turns off so many - Rhisiart Gwilym December 26, 2018, 9:29 am
- Nothing of substance there Margo - walter December 26, 2018, 11:55 am
- Re: "Capitalist liberals masquerading as revolutionaries"? - turtleman December 26, 2018, 5:06 pm
- Good post - Bluefool December 27, 2018, 10:13 am
- Re: Disband the Left? The 'left' which preserves identities shaped and distorted by capital? - margo December 26, 2018, 9:15 am
- This isterrible too Margo (nm) - walter December 26, 2018, 12:36 pm
- Pilger et al on ID politics - Tomski December 26, 2018, 1:00 pm
- Re: Pilger et al on ID politics - walter December 26, 2018, 2:05 pm
- Walter, re your oft-used phrase " class warriors" - margo December 26, 2018, 3:04 pm
- Walter, I presume you're happy with Guardian coverage of women's issues... - margo December 26, 2018, 3:37 pm
- Re: Pilger et al on ID politics - Tomski December 26, 2018, 3:48 pm
- "Almost the worst discussions ever here, if memory serves. Embarrassingly bad" - Willem December 26, 2018, 10:00 pm
- Thanks, Tomski, good to hear Pilger on this [nm] - margo December 26, 2018, 3:12 pm
- Sorry you feel this way, W. Would be good if you address points rather than issue one-word disdain? - margo December 26, 2018, 2:49 pm
- The left is by definition not banded, its peer-2-peer. Nm - Shyaku December 27, 2018, 1:29 am
- Re: Disband the Left? - Sinister Burt December 27, 2018, 11:29 am
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