Re: These writers want to reclaim the left Archived Message
Posted by walter on December 27, 2018, 5:04 pm, in reply to "Re: These writers want to reclaim the left "
I didn't call you class warrior, and I won't as you object to the term. But you did seem to agree with these guys who talk clearly about reclaiming the left. In my view you endorsed enough of the statements to give that impression you supported them. In addition you've been consistently resistant to the discussions wv and myself tired to have on feminism etc (the more serious kind). You've seemed content for feminist stuff to be included in dismissals of ID politics, often posted by yourself. "To imply I "don't stand by what I post" is another form of ad hom, in my opinion." It's not adhom if it's supported, and I did support it. You cited several things that I pointed out were class war-ish, and you expressly agreed with this: "the sheer mention of class is now automatically treated as if that means one is trying to down¬grade the importance of race and gender. In fact, the exact opposite is the case..." about which you said, incidentally, "Fisher's quote is spot-on as to how one gets treated around this issue by some at Lifeboat News, if one dares to offers a different opinion for perusal" Do you stand by this? What's your evidence? Or is it adhom? ( I think it's ridiculous) But what I argue about your stance is not, as you say, the last word. I'm entitled to comment on a strong impression gleaned over a period of (as you also say) years. You can make me out to be wrong by not resisting some genuine feminist type posts by wv or myself. I look forward to that
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- Disband the Left? - dovetailjoint December 25, 2018, 1:44 pm
- whats left of the left - west virginia December 25, 2018, 3:14 pm
- Re: Disband the Left? - turtleman December 25, 2018, 3:41 pm
- You're confusing the official left with the real left - Keith-264 December 25, 2018, 4:02 pm
- Why would fraudsters choose to disband? - Ken Waldron December 25, 2018, 6:29 pm
- "Capitalist liberals masquerading as revolutionaries"? - margo December 26, 2018, 6:39 am
- But notice, M, how these IDpol-questioners use the same jargonish language that turns off so many - Rhisiart Gwilym December 26, 2018, 9:29 am
- Nothing of substance there Margo - walter December 26, 2018, 11:55 am
- Re: "Capitalist liberals masquerading as revolutionaries"? - turtleman December 26, 2018, 5:06 pm
- Good post - Bluefool December 27, 2018, 10:13 am
- Re: Disband the Left? The 'left' which preserves identities shaped and distorted by capital? - margo December 26, 2018, 9:15 am
- This isterrible too Margo (nm) - walter December 26, 2018, 12:36 pm
- Pilger et al on ID politics - Tomski December 26, 2018, 1:00 pm
- Re: Pilger et al on ID politics - walter December 26, 2018, 2:05 pm
- Walter, re your oft-used phrase " class warriors" - margo December 26, 2018, 3:04 pm
- Walter, I presume you're happy with Guardian coverage of women's issues... - margo December 26, 2018, 3:37 pm
- Re: Pilger et al on ID politics - Tomski December 26, 2018, 3:48 pm
- "Almost the worst discussions ever here, if memory serves. Embarrassingly bad" - Willem December 26, 2018, 10:00 pm
- Thanks, Tomski, good to hear Pilger on this [nm] - margo December 26, 2018, 3:12 pm
- Sorry you feel this way, W. Would be good if you address points rather than issue one-word disdain? - margo December 26, 2018, 2:49 pm
- The left is by definition not banded, its peer-2-peer. Nm - Shyaku December 27, 2018, 1:29 am
- Re: Disband the Left? - Sinister Burt December 27, 2018, 11:29 am
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