Re: So Peterson is happy take on a lightweight like Cathy "Lost In A Mosque" Newman...who wouldn't be... Archived Message
Posted by dereklane on July 14, 2019, 9:40 pm, in reply to "Re: So Peterson is happy take on a lightweight like Cathy "Lost In A Mosque" Newman...who wouldn't be..."
There are others making such points too. If he is anti socialist and that's a positive (?) then I would agree that the best people he could debate were socialists (people who knew their material). But it would seem he shied from that debate. Or is that a misrepresentation? I don't think it's a particularly rebellious thing in America to dislike socialism. In fact I would say it gathers instant sympathy with the vast majority but not because the vast majority is literate on the subject. It's more a reflexive reaction from what I've read and seen probably going back to McCarthyism and pride in the great capitalist motives of a country that confuses God with money. I acknowledge that neither you nor Peterson are from the us, but I'm guessing there are enough Canadians that sympathise to give him an audience both sides of the border (though I can't for the life of me see why; a national health care system is more an example of socialism than capitalism ). Assuming you aren't recommending him because of his easy crowd pleasing strategies (anti socialist), then it's for the arguments against id politics. For me, these are grey areas. That is, there are positives and negatives. The writers I've read on the subject I liked acknowledged the nuance whilst pointing out the failures, and the misdirection. I would never have argued so strongly against here if I hadn't been faced with people who lacked nuance in the opposite direction. And From what I've heard of Peterson, he's a little less nuanced, and I'm all for that where it doesn't blur into right wing ugliness (anymore than if it were to blur into left wing ugliness). Except, it seems to. And I can take the bad with the good only if there is no one cleaner to listen to. Do you think he is the best? I can't see much worth in an individual who issues a challenge of intellect then runs away when it's taken up. Surely that tells you all you need to know about him ? You may not like his opposition, but surely that's an important thing to be ignoring if we're discussing intellectual/ethical rigour?
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