Re: Faux left, the real left never abandoned the class struggle Archived Message
Posted by dereklane on July 17, 2019, 7:31 am, in reply to "Re: Faux left, the real left never abandoned the class struggle"
No you can't duck from what you said. " I didn't. I agreed with your definition of what I said and I believe I did it whole heartedly. That is perhaps the opposite of ducking. And yes, if people focused on that core idea (people should be subjugated to the will of others in a way that forces poverty and suffering on one so that others gain more power), then many of the small c coservatives would along with the small l lefties and the small r radicals would be in the same bag, which to me is fine. Because I'm not interested in the people who think left wing means Hilary Clinton, or tony Blair or even Jeremy corbyn. Those people are politicians and everything they say and think is prepositioned with political expediency and on the issues of big money, and big power. #### them. All humans are corruptible" is your opinion, perhaps because of A) the things you see as corrupt and B) the weaknesses you see in yourself Which is fine, because it's an opinion. But saying that person was good, is simply saying I didn't know that person as well as I thought I did. If you have principles you've decided upon for yourself (rather than those that come as a subset of rules from someone else), and you don't stick to them, there is something wrong. I have a small and old group of friends and reliable people for whom their principles (all different) remain solid and have done so through all sorts of challenges. Then I know also a bunch of charlatans, who, the first chance that came along, screwed everyone else over to get more for themselves. The second lot didn't become corrupt, they always were. I get your thinking (it comes as a central tenet to Christianity), but I disagree with it. It is an excuse to be weak, and nothing more. So the left is a monolithic force" no. If it was, we'd all be ok. There aren't as many in that category as I'd hope. There are fewer people who put the suffering of others as a core fight than there should be, and a lot more hypocrites; people who claim this concept to be of importance but don't act it in their prioritisation of things. The snakes, hypocrites story of Jesus turning out the bazaar from the synagogue is an example of someone else who took issue with that sort of people (those who proclaim principles then do the opposite to make a buck). I have no time for them, nor to explain concepts that humans are corruptible as excuses. Even Jesus didn't preach radical equity. " He did but you weren't listening. Whoever asks for your coat, give him the shirt off your back too . Last paragraph; I do, and you know it. I suspect this one is there because you don't like the fact I defended socialist ideas, but you're going to have to live with that one. I've also pointed out often enough that I am an anarchist (not a political movement), and the reason I support socialist ideals is because it's the closest thing that any average person has any idea about. I don't of course want any more leaders, either socialist or capitalist, but socialism is practised in small parts by government and families, social groups, bands etc every day. We know already it is more rewarding than capitalist ideals, so aside from the North American and generally wealthy rest of the world, most people are on board with the concepts even if they never read das kapital. Which most of the reflexively anti socialists haven't either, so most people are in the same company
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