Re: So Peterson is happy take on a lightweight like Cathy "Lost In A Mosque" Newman...who wouldn't be... Archived Message
Posted by walter on July 15, 2019, 9:27 am, in reply to "Re: So Peterson is happy take on a lightweight like Cathy "Lost In A Mosque" Newman...who wouldn't be..."
Ken's post presents as close a view of political reality as I've seen here. It's not the 'real left' who are obsessed with identity politics. On the contrary, many hate it because of what they see as its distractive effect - but also because of the political protagonists on the faux left who embrace it. The 'faux left' (which pays lip service to economic disparities and injustices) extends as far as Obama, the Clintons and Blair, and socially reactionary elements of the MSM, including the Guardian (especially perhaps, as it has few reactionary right supporters to restrain it). So Turtleman, you err when you lump Marxists and Identity politics together in the big sweep of the big broad brush. My complaint about the 'real left' is the opposite - the general absence of any real concern among for the oppression of women (and racial groups), and often outright hostility to these topics. If you've identified Marxism, you've usually not found Identity Politics but its opponents. The political reality successfully excludes gender struggles from the debate. This is a reasonable summary of what the 'real left' is all about: "I see it [referring to so-called Identity Politics] as a cul de sac that right wingers encourage to keep the drive for change amongst the many away from the genuine source of real progress for all people: which is equitable policies on money, tax, social security, health and the economy." But absent from this list is consideration of the sharp end of gender inequality and consequent personal catastrophes faced by thousands of women on a daily (certainly weekly, just in the UK) basis are ignored. The effects of rape, sexual assault and gender-based violence against women often last years or decades. Addressing the cause of these gender-based catastrophes (which permeate all strata of society) is clearly not on the agenda of the 'real left'. These are not usually included among 'real problems for real people'. The appearance on the agenda of the 'other' real problems of women (who of course also already bear significant effects of the left's more traditional economic injustices) faces ongoing resistance and hostility.
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- Re: So Peterson is happy take on a lightweight like Cathy "Lost In A Mosque" Newman...who wouldn't be... - Keith-264 July 14, 2019, 11:15 pm
- Re: So Peterson is happy take on a lightweight like Cathy "Lost In A Mosque" Newman...who wouldn't be... - Ken Waldron July 15, 2019, 12:09 am
- Re: So Peterson is happy take on a lightweight like Cathy "Lost In A Mosque" Newman...who wouldn't be... - dereklane July 15, 2019, 8:53 am
- Re: So Peterson is happy take on a lightweight like Cathy "Lost In A Mosque" Newman...who wouldn't be... - walter July 15, 2019, 9:27 am
- What about the workers? - Keith-264 July 15, 2019, 10:14 am
- Mr T the guy who rallies against identify politics - Adamski July 15, 2019, 10:47 am
- Re: So Peterson is happy take on a lightweight like Cathy "Lost In A Mosque" Newman...who wouldn't be... - turtleman July 15, 2019, 1:20 pm
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