Re: Disaster capitalism is what we've had since about 1980. Archived Message
Posted by Thomas Newfield on March 15, 2019, 2:04 am, in reply to "Re: Disaster capitalism is what we've had since about 1980."
Ummm... Its a Tory UKIP vote because that's in the main who voted for it of course. "Of course" the Tory UKIP vote, voted for Brexit. Except that that's meaningless. What happened was: many that voted for one thing in one election voted for something entirely different in a referendum on institutional change. Many also who hadn't voted in previous elections voted in the referendum. The Tories won the last election; there are a lot of them, so, whichever side was to win the referendum would require a lot of this Tory lot to vote for that side. They did. So did enough of the others. Or in normal language: Leave won by a clear majority. You might despise some section of voters because you don't like what they had in the past voted for. You might just as well despise them for being poor because the poor too mainly voted leave. Actually constantly invokiing the party-tribes in this context I find poor taste. Had you noticed that party affiliation, and the very basis of left-right cult division is increasingly weak and meaningless? "Let's say though that "Brexit = right wing reaction" - whatever this may mean..." -If you don't know what it means why would you posit accepting it for sake of argument? OK that's fair enough, my habit of faceciousness becomes a little stale. The actual points are: Brexit was clearly by usual definitions far from exclusively "right wing" because it would not have passed had so many "lefties" not also voted for it. Secondly the notions of "right" and "left" as usually located (from the left) become increasingly amorphous - as the neoliberal, globalist, US founded and led, non-democracy of the EU - for example - is touted as somehow the progressive, left wing - that from the mainstream left. The authoritarian reality of the hubris and sanctimony of so many on the left also makes them the opposite of what they claim. Another little point I have to offload: most of every age group except 18-24 voted Leave! And, so what? Petty I know. You started that one. Really though Ken, if you're afraid of WWIII or starvation, still please suggest a decent alternative. OK let's forget he EU is larcenous, oligarchic, warmongering, dictatorial... Let's accept "Leave" is a long narrow shit creak and we're in a long, thin, heavy boat with no paddle. But it's collapsing anyway! Everybody wants out, or, more and more anyway. It's clearly not serving people enough for them to want to keep it. Or are you arguing for dictatorship? Just saying "Remain better, the other lot are arseholes" doesn't cut the mustard.
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