Re: Does anyone remember the "late surges" of the Independence referendum Archived Message
Posted by Sergei Kirov  on December 1, 2019, 9:40 pm, in reply to "Re: Does anyone remember the "late surges" of the Independence referendum"
Except Labour haven’t ignored their 5 million Leave voters. (I say this as a Labour Leave voter myself)
The objective situation is that there has been a persistent attempt by the Establishment to crush Corbyn’s leadership between the hammer of a Hard Leave position and the anvil of a Hard Remain one.
Corbyn has done exceptionally well to navigate this. So much so that, through skilful politicking and occupying the true Centre Ground, he has forced the LibDems to veer too hard towards Hard Remain, such that their electoral machine’s wheels have now come off, as they have veered headlong into the Hard Remain roadside.
That leaves the Tories to deal with. But again, objectively speaking, the Tories’ claim to be the “party of Leave” does not stand up to scrutiny: Boris’ “Deal” is essentially the same surrender deal as was “negotiated” by May 6 months ago - and for which she was rightly castigated by the Leave electorate.
The Leave electorate’s sudden ostensible enthusiasm for the Tories is a matter of style, not substance - the consequence of a) Farage being paid off good style, and b) a biased media terrified of a Corbyn victory.
The Labour option of a second referendum, with a real choice being put to the public of a much better Deal than Boris’, vs Remain, is a win for Leavers and Remainers alike. And it allows Labour to concentrate on bread and butter issues far more important than Brexit.
Sorry, I know that as de facto Trots this will disappoint the two of you. But real socialists, when we see that Corbyn is being attacked mercilessly by the Establishment, can see that the right side to be on is that of defending Corbyn, not joining in the Establishment pile-on.
JEZZA FOR PM!
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- Does anyone remember the "late surges" of the Independence referendum - Keith-264 December 1, 2019, 7:59 pm
- Re: Does anyone remember the "late surges" of the Independence referendum - psingh December 1, 2019, 8:15 pm
- Worth it to get that useless nonentity Corbyn - Keith-264 December 1, 2019, 9:33 pm
- Re: Does anyone remember the "late surges" of the Independence referendum - Sergei Kirov December 1, 2019, 9:40 pm
- Jezza for PM - TINA! - David Macilwain December 1, 2019, 9:54 pm
- Re: Does anyone remember the "late surges" of the Independence referendum - Kenneth December 1, 2019, 10:22 pm
- I'm not a trot, I disdain such right-wing deviationists....nm - Keith-264 December 2, 2019, 12:03 am
- Pure Bunkum - Chris Rogers December 2, 2019, 6:57 am
- In a nutshell.... - Keith-264 December 2, 2019, 11:58 am
- Anyone's who's negotiated anything no matter how small knows Labour's Brexit policy makes no sense - SueC December 2, 2019, 12:04 pm
- Re: Pure Bunkum - Willem December 2, 2019, 12:11 pm
- Re: Pure Bunkum - Tomski December 2, 2019, 12:49 pm
- The Liarbour Partei fractured in the 60s - Keith-264 December 2, 2019, 2:23 pm
- Re: Pure Bunkum - Ken Waldron December 2, 2019, 3:44 pm
- Maybe, but the working class voted EXIT - Chris Rogers December 2, 2019, 4:12 pm
- Re: Pure Bunkum - dereklane December 2, 2019, 4:21 pm
- Re: Pure Bunkum - Willem December 2, 2019, 5:03 pm
- Re: Pure Bunkum - dereklane December 2, 2019, 8:18 pm
- Re: Pure Bunkum - Willem December 2, 2019, 9:16 pm
- Re: Pure Bunkum - dereklane December 2, 2019, 10:17 pm
- I'll go with that, D. I didn't vote in the ref., and have no strong preference either way: a choice - Rhisiart Gwilym December 2, 2019, 10:33 pm
- Re: Pure Bunkum - Willem December 3, 2019, 1:49 am
- Re: Pure Bunkum - dereklane December 3, 2019, 8:06 am
- Yes - Keith-264 December 3, 2019, 10:47 am
- Re: Pure Bunkum - Ken Waldron December 2, 2019, 5:34 pm
- Good point, Liarbour has hidden behind a "bipartisan approach" - Keith-264 December 2, 2019, 9:22 pm
- Consider - Tomski December 2, 2019, 11:08 pm
- Sophistry - Keith-264 December 2, 2019, 2:21 pm
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