Re: Come on Degsie! You know I mean endless angel/pin arguments; what Trevor Griffiths once memorably Archived Message
Posted by dereklane  on December 3, 2019, 6:15 pm, in reply to "Come on Degsie! You know I mean endless angel/pin arguments; what Trevor Griffiths once memorably"
I'm not interested is settling. That's probably our difference. I know from experience that when you concede for a lesser win to oligarchs they quickly recover the small ground they lost leaving you with nothing. Serious wins for the poor still get lost within short years (like Venezuela). Anything less is worth approximately nothing, perhaps less because we're trained to see the distraction as important and people tend not to collectively focus on many things at once. For example, we've had ten years of the tories, and all of us capable of enacting real social change through civil disobedience, but about 5 years in got distracted by jc and spent the rest of the time deciding he was our next big chance as friends one by one became homeless and lost all.
To agitate for real change we need to focus on that only, not get caught up in the belief that we can effect change through a system designed to be unbreakable. For me it's that's simple.
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